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		<title>Comment on Radical change to disrupt the school ecosystem by John Travers</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Travers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right of course, Greg, that there are many ways to successful implementation. Maybe radical is not the best word for me to use - bold or comprehensive might fit many situations better. Is sounds like your grand-daughter&#039;s teacher was bold and comprehensive in the steps he took. 
Interactive Whiteboards have been particularly good at stimulating this level of change, where the arrival of the equipment and a little bit of training sets quite a few teacher off on a genuine exploration. But I understand that there are many not so happy stories about their use. 
I think incrementalism has focused on technical skills and equipment, and not on the different sort of outcomes that are possible. Take video making for example. It is relatively easy and cheap to create digital stories (such as with PhotoStory 3 with still images) but there is little incentive to do this unless the teacher is excited to engage with the potential. It is a big (radical?) step to value, understand, and teach the skills of digital story-telling. I&#039;ve seen a lot of teachers really open their eyes to the possibilities of PhotoStory 3 because it is dead simple and the stories can be quite powerful. The technology has become a trivial increment and the outcome of powerful stories a darn big increment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right of course, Greg, that there are many ways to successful implementation. Maybe radical is not the best word for me to use &#8211; bold or comprehensive might fit many situations better. Is sounds like your grand-daughter&#8217;s teacher was bold and comprehensive in the steps he took.<br />
Interactive Whiteboards have been particularly good at stimulating this level of change, where the arrival of the equipment and a little bit of training sets quite a few teacher off on a genuine exploration. But I understand that there are many not so happy stories about their use.<br />
I think incrementalism has focused on technical skills and equipment, and not on the different sort of outcomes that are possible. Take video making for example. It is relatively easy and cheap to create digital stories (such as with PhotoStory 3 with still images) but there is little incentive to do this unless the teacher is excited to engage with the potential. It is a big (radical?) step to value, understand, and teach the skills of digital story-telling. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of teachers really open their eyes to the possibilities of PhotoStory 3 because it is dead simple and the stories can be quite powerful. The technology has become a trivial increment and the outcome of powerful stories a darn big increment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Radical change to disrupt the school ecosystem by greg black</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Few More Ducks.

I dont believe there is &#039;one-way&#039; to achieve the transformation in learning and teaching that new technologies can enable. 
My grandaughter attends a lower middle class public primary school. Last year the school invested in, wait for it... electronic whiteboards for every class room. Most stayed in their plastic wraps till after a PD day was held mid-year. After the PD day my grandaughters teacher decided to try to use the technology as much as he could with his year ones and twos. He made wonderful progress and by the end of the first term of 07 had been able to utilise the whiteboard in almost all his teaching. It was and is awesome.I could never had contemplated, even after a good read of the literature, many of the applications the teacher and the students developed. All the other teachers have now unwrapped their whiteboards!! After the July break the school has decided to invest in him having a day a week to work with the other staff on ways to change their practice.
One small step...
I think the mix of requirements for a transformation of learning and teaching include: Whole of school and or whole of system leadership; champions at the school level; support; rewards; a portfolio of readily available teaching techniques and strategies that actually work; and good infrastructure. 
Of all the investment in ICT and learning over the past decade the least effort has gone into teaching techniques and strategies that work. Why would an individual teacher or whole institution bother changing their practice unless there was at least some evidence that change works to enhance and enrich the learning experience?
Sorry for the sermon.
Educators know that change is afoot.My feeling is that if examples like the new Catholic school in Parramatta is a success there will be many others across all systems clamouring to join.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Few More Ducks.</p>
<p>I dont believe there is &#8216;one-way&#8217; to achieve the transformation in learning and teaching that new technologies can enable.<br />
My grandaughter attends a lower middle class public primary school. Last year the school invested in, wait for it&#8230; electronic whiteboards for every class room. Most stayed in their plastic wraps till after a PD day was held mid-year. After the PD day my grandaughters teacher decided to try to use the technology as much as he could with his year ones and twos. He made wonderful progress and by the end of the first term of 07 had been able to utilise the whiteboard in almost all his teaching. It was and is awesome.I could never had contemplated, even after a good read of the literature, many of the applications the teacher and the students developed. All the other teachers have now unwrapped their whiteboards!! After the July break the school has decided to invest in him having a day a week to work with the other staff on ways to change their practice.<br />
One small step&#8230;<br />
I think the mix of requirements for a transformation of learning and teaching include: Whole of school and or whole of system leadership; champions at the school level; support; rewards; a portfolio of readily available teaching techniques and strategies that actually work; and good infrastructure.<br />
Of all the investment in ICT and learning over the past decade the least effort has gone into teaching techniques and strategies that work. Why would an individual teacher or whole institution bother changing their practice unless there was at least some evidence that change works to enhance and enrich the learning experience?<br />
Sorry for the sermon.<br />
Educators know that change is afoot.My feeling is that if examples like the new Catholic school in Parramatta is a success there will be many others across all systems clamouring to join.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Radical change to disrupt the school ecosystem by Bill Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Encouraging comments about the futility of incremental, duck nibbling change :-)

Thanks also for clarifying your remark about teachers. All you need is 50 or so innovative teachers and put them in one school. But of course our system doesn&#039;t work that way. Keep the radicals diluted and under control. Leadership needs to come from the leaders but it isn&#039;t happening.

It seems to me vanishingly unlikely that the radical change required will come from the government system with its focus on uniform standards and a strong conformist culture. Alice is running as fast as she can but the world is standing still. Individual radicals with sympathetic Principals can establish great niche environments but you have to move past that and scale it at some stage.

In Australia, to my surprise, one lead is being provided within the Catholic System. See &lt;a href=&#039;http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/01/21st-century-school.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;21st Century School &lt;/a&gt;. Now, that&#039;s interesting but I can&#039;t see the government system copying that.

America has Charter Schools and other such beasts that give some chance for a radical approach to be tried out. For instance Alan Kay has trialled his Squeak / Etoys software at Los Angeles Charter School for some years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encouraging comments about the futility of incremental, duck nibbling change <img src='http://jtravers.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks also for clarifying your remark about teachers. All you need is 50 or so innovative teachers and put them in one school. But of course our system doesn&#8217;t work that way. Keep the radicals diluted and under control. Leadership needs to come from the leaders but it isn&#8217;t happening.</p>
<p>It seems to me vanishingly unlikely that the radical change required will come from the government system with its focus on uniform standards and a strong conformist culture. Alice is running as fast as she can but the world is standing still. Individual radicals with sympathetic Principals can establish great niche environments but you have to move past that and scale it at some stage.</p>
<p>In Australia, to my surprise, one lead is being provided within the Catholic System. See <a href='http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/01/21st-century-school.html' rel="nofollow">21st Century School </a>. Now, that&#8217;s interesting but I can&#8217;t see the government system copying that.</p>
<p>America has Charter Schools and other such beasts that give some chance for a radical approach to be tried out. For instance Alan Kay has trialled his Squeak / Etoys software at Los Angeles Charter School for some years now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social software report says Go! Have a thought for the poor planner. by Bill Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi john,

your point 2 (&quot;Most teachers do not have a strong experience in working in an open manner, and fewer are ideologically commited to this approach&quot;) seems to blame the teachers for slow uptake but as wara points out the default block of the read/write web would indicate that the Department also is part of the problem

my view is that in general we use computers in a hopeless way in schools (&lt;a href=&#039;http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/05/computers-in-education-mush.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mush &lt;/a&gt;) - incremental change is fine I suppose if you are planning to still be there when you are 100, but there is a need for a big, bold vision with some real oomph - that vision does exist in various forms (eg. Paperts and &lt;a href=&#039;http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/05/alan-kays-educational-vision.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;alan kays ideas &lt;/a&gt;) but has become so marginalised that most people would not even notice

btw I&#039;ve written a paper on &lt;a href=&#039;http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/teaching+programming&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;using blogs and wikis to enhance the teaching of game making&lt;/a&gt;, which I delivered at the Cairns ACEC conference last year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi john,</p>
<p>your point 2 (&#8221;Most teachers do not have a strong experience in working in an open manner, and fewer are ideologically commited to this approach&#8221;) seems to blame the teachers for slow uptake but as wara points out the default block of the read/write web would indicate that the Department also is part of the problem</p>
<p>my view is that in general we use computers in a hopeless way in schools (<a href='http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/05/computers-in-education-mush.html' rel="nofollow">mush </a>) &#8211; incremental change is fine I suppose if you are planning to still be there when you are 100, but there is a need for a big, bold vision with some real oomph &#8211; that vision does exist in various forms (eg. Paperts and <a href='http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/05/alan-kays-educational-vision.html' rel="nofollow">alan kays ideas </a>) but has become so marginalised that most people would not even notice</p>
<p>btw I&#8217;ve written a paper on <a href='http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/teaching+programming' rel="nofollow">using blogs and wikis to enhance the teaching of game making</a>, which I delivered at the Cairns ACEC conference last year</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social software report says Go! Have a thought for the poor planner. by jtravers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jtravers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, a useful link. On the default blocking, would schools feel reluctant to over-ride the block, say, for blogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, a useful link. On the default blocking, would schools feel reluctant to over-ride the block, say, for blogs?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social software report says Go! Have a thought for the poor planner. by Wati Wara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wati Wara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and

5. most of the social software tools in schools are blocked by default.

an interesting recent link relating to this is
http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/06/just-facts-about-online-youth.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and</p>
<p>5. most of the social software tools in schools are blocked by default.</p>
<p>an interesting recent link relating to this is<br />
<a href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/06/just-facts-about-online-youth.html" rel="nofollow">http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/06/just-facts-about-online-youth.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Organise your thinking with tiddlywiki by Golawz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golawz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! nice site!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Web 2.0 library thing reader thing by Mike Seyfang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Seyfang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 12:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since you clearly have an interest in napoleon you should subscribe to the excellent podcasts at:

http://napoleon.thepodcastnetwork.com/

&lt;a href=&quot;http://mikeseyfang.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since you clearly have an interest in napoleon you should subscribe to the excellent podcasts at:</p>
<p><a href="http://napoleon.thepodcastnetwork.com/" rel="nofollow">http://napoleon.thepodcastnetwork.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://mikeseyfang.com" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Jimmy Wales, accountability and victimhood-filtering by jtravers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jtravers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My criticism initially in this story was of apparent &#039;victim&#039; behaviour, not for criticising departmental actions. The latter is a  fine practice with a noble tradition, but the former is just complaining about a problem when there is some action that can be taken to reduce the problem. It&#039;s not the complaining I object to, but the inaction.

There is obviously a great deal of interest in this problem. It seems that departmental officials feel that they must act in a quite conservative manner for fear of very damaging publicity for the school system as a whole. Obviously they have a point. If the Department &#039;permits&#039; children to access bomb-making advice then all hell will break out in our enlightened media. But if a school has a reputation in its community for responsibility and it has an enlightened approach to use of new technology, and it has a process in place for managing filtering, supervision of students, and yet some kid does the wrong thing, then the school is in a much better position to manage the complaints than a large and relatively faceless bureaucracy. 

I&#039;m not suggesting that schools should take all the responsibility. But I think there is a major collision not far off when more teachers and principals and parents realise the amazing potential and power of Web 2.0 and the like, and they come up against people who are ignorant of these things, together with people who have a very conservative view of learning. The people who cannot tolerate Wikipedia, for example. And of course the issue really is not simple. Very few people support a complete lack of control of access to the web by school students. 

So people like us need to support schools to take leadership in this issue, where they can, and develop processes to demonstrate that schools can manage it better than the department as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My criticism initially in this story was of apparent &#8216;victim&#8217; behaviour, not for criticising departmental actions. The latter is a  fine practice with a noble tradition, but the former is just complaining about a problem when there is some action that can be taken to reduce the problem. It&#8217;s not the complaining I object to, but the inaction.</p>
<p>There is obviously a great deal of interest in this problem. It seems that departmental officials feel that they must act in a quite conservative manner for fear of very damaging publicity for the school system as a whole. Obviously they have a point. If the Department &#8216;permits&#8217; children to access bomb-making advice then all hell will break out in our enlightened media. But if a school has a reputation in its community for responsibility and it has an enlightened approach to use of new technology, and it has a process in place for managing filtering, supervision of students, and yet some kid does the wrong thing, then the school is in a much better position to manage the complaints than a large and relatively faceless bureaucracy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that schools should take all the responsibility. But I think there is a major collision not far off when more teachers and principals and parents realise the amazing potential and power of Web 2.0 and the like, and they come up against people who are ignorant of these things, together with people who have a very conservative view of learning. The people who cannot tolerate Wikipedia, for example. And of course the issue really is not simple. Very few people support a complete lack of control of access to the web by school students. </p>
<p>So people like us need to support schools to take leadership in this issue, where they can, and develop processes to demonstrate that schools can manage it better than the department as a whole.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jimmy Wales, accountability and victimhood-filtering by Bill Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi john,

thanks

In my school blogger, wordpress and some other sites have been unblocked at my request. Yes, this helps. 

One frustration here is that the default blocking of the read/write web categories by N2H2 slows the spread to those schools / teachers who are open but not yet committed. If you read the fine print rationale then the reason these sites are blocked is simply that Bess finds it too hard to differentiate the good from the bad. They are blocking the new big thing, web apps, simply because its too hard. Department sprouts brave new world rhetoric whilst behaving like head in the sand troglodytes.  Hence my objection to your description of those who criticise  this as displaying &quot;victim mentality&quot;. 

On the other hand google images has been blocked following a bestiality scare. If there was more flexility in the software then web savvy teachers would be in a position to negotiate with admin for selective unblocking of such sites that are 99% clean and useful (for certain rooms, times of day etc.). But generally admins are not going to risk being sued in the current public climate, fueled by the media. &quot;Risk free&quot; mentality is a real problem IMO, it seems to have become dominant culturally

&lt;a href=&#039;http://psiphon.civisec.org/index.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psiphon &lt;/a&gt; is a disruptive technology which I expect will throw up some interesting challenges to this culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi john,</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>In my school blogger, wordpress and some other sites have been unblocked at my request. Yes, this helps. </p>
<p>One frustration here is that the default blocking of the read/write web categories by N2H2 slows the spread to those schools / teachers who are open but not yet committed. If you read the fine print rationale then the reason these sites are blocked is simply that Bess finds it too hard to differentiate the good from the bad. They are blocking the new big thing, web apps, simply because its too hard. Department sprouts brave new world rhetoric whilst behaving like head in the sand troglodytes.  Hence my objection to your description of those who criticise  this as displaying &#8220;victim mentality&#8221;. </p>
<p>On the other hand google images has been blocked following a bestiality scare. If there was more flexility in the software then web savvy teachers would be in a position to negotiate with admin for selective unblocking of such sites that are 99% clean and useful (for certain rooms, times of day etc.). But generally admins are not going to risk being sued in the current public climate, fueled by the media. &#8220;Risk free&#8221; mentality is a real problem IMO, it seems to have become dominant culturally</p>
<p><a href='http://psiphon.civisec.org/index.html' rel="nofollow">Psiphon </a> is a disruptive technology which I expect will throw up some interesting challenges to this culture.</p>
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