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	<title>Comments on: Jimmy Wales, accountability and victimhood-filtering</title>
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		<title>By: jtravers</title>
		<link>http://jtravers.edublogs.org/2007/04/23/jimmy-wales-accountability-rather-than-gatekeeping/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>jtravers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My criticism initially in this story was of apparent &#039;victim&#039; behaviour, not for criticising departmental actions. The latter is a  fine practice with a noble tradition, but the former is just complaining about a problem when there is some action that can be taken to reduce the problem. It&#039;s not the complaining I object to, but the inaction.

There is obviously a great deal of interest in this problem. It seems that departmental officials feel that they must act in a quite conservative manner for fear of very damaging publicity for the school system as a whole. Obviously they have a point. If the Department &#039;permits&#039; children to access bomb-making advice then all hell will break out in our enlightened media. But if a school has a reputation in its community for responsibility and it has an enlightened approach to use of new technology, and it has a process in place for managing filtering, supervision of students, and yet some kid does the wrong thing, then the school is in a much better position to manage the complaints than a large and relatively faceless bureaucracy. 

I&#039;m not suggesting that schools should take all the responsibility. But I think there is a major collision not far off when more teachers and principals and parents realise the amazing potential and power of Web 2.0 and the like, and they come up against people who are ignorant of these things, together with people who have a very conservative view of learning. The people who cannot tolerate Wikipedia, for example. And of course the issue really is not simple. Very few people support a complete lack of control of access to the web by school students. 

So people like us need to support schools to take leadership in this issue, where they can, and develop processes to demonstrate that schools can manage it better than the department as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My criticism initially in this story was of apparent &#8216;victim&#8217; behaviour, not for criticising departmental actions. The latter is a  fine practice with a noble tradition, but the former is just complaining about a problem when there is some action that can be taken to reduce the problem. It&#8217;s not the complaining I object to, but the inaction.</p>
<p>There is obviously a great deal of interest in this problem. It seems that departmental officials feel that they must act in a quite conservative manner for fear of very damaging publicity for the school system as a whole. Obviously they have a point. If the Department &#8216;permits&#8217; children to access bomb-making advice then all hell will break out in our enlightened media. But if a school has a reputation in its community for responsibility and it has an enlightened approach to use of new technology, and it has a process in place for managing filtering, supervision of students, and yet some kid does the wrong thing, then the school is in a much better position to manage the complaints than a large and relatively faceless bureaucracy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that schools should take all the responsibility. But I think there is a major collision not far off when more teachers and principals and parents realise the amazing potential and power of Web 2.0 and the like, and they come up against people who are ignorant of these things, together with people who have a very conservative view of learning. The people who cannot tolerate Wikipedia, for example. And of course the issue really is not simple. Very few people support a complete lack of control of access to the web by school students. </p>
<p>So people like us need to support schools to take leadership in this issue, where they can, and develop processes to demonstrate that schools can manage it better than the department as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi john,

thanks

In my school blogger, wordpress and some other sites have been unblocked at my request. Yes, this helps. 

One frustration here is that the default blocking of the read/write web categories by N2H2 slows the spread to those schools / teachers who are open but not yet committed. If you read the fine print rationale then the reason these sites are blocked is simply that Bess finds it too hard to differentiate the good from the bad. They are blocking the new big thing, web apps, simply because its too hard. Department sprouts brave new world rhetoric whilst behaving like head in the sand troglodytes.  Hence my objection to your description of those who criticise  this as displaying &quot;victim mentality&quot;. 

On the other hand google images has been blocked following a bestiality scare. If there was more flexility in the software then web savvy teachers would be in a position to negotiate with admin for selective unblocking of such sites that are 99% clean and useful (for certain rooms, times of day etc.). But generally admins are not going to risk being sued in the current public climate, fueled by the media. &quot;Risk free&quot; mentality is a real problem IMO, it seems to have become dominant culturally

&lt;a href=&#039;http://psiphon.civisec.org/index.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psiphon &lt;/a&gt; is a disruptive technology which I expect will throw up some interesting challenges to this culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi john,</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>In my school blogger, wordpress and some other sites have been unblocked at my request. Yes, this helps. </p>
<p>One frustration here is that the default blocking of the read/write web categories by N2H2 slows the spread to those schools / teachers who are open but not yet committed. If you read the fine print rationale then the reason these sites are blocked is simply that Bess finds it too hard to differentiate the good from the bad. They are blocking the new big thing, web apps, simply because its too hard. Department sprouts brave new world rhetoric whilst behaving like head in the sand troglodytes.  Hence my objection to your description of those who criticise  this as displaying &#8220;victim mentality&#8221;. </p>
<p>On the other hand google images has been blocked following a bestiality scare. If there was more flexility in the software then web savvy teachers would be in a position to negotiate with admin for selective unblocking of such sites that are 99% clean and useful (for certain rooms, times of day etc.). But generally admins are not going to risk being sued in the current public climate, fueled by the media. &#8220;Risk free&#8221; mentality is a real problem IMO, it seems to have become dominant culturally</p>
<p><a href='http://psiphon.civisec.org/index.html' rel="nofollow">Psiphon </a> is a disruptive technology which I expect will throw up some interesting challenges to this culture.</p>
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		<title>By: jtravers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jtravers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 06:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,
You are right. I have not done an in-depth analysis of filtering in SA Dept schools. And yes, the blanket filtering is crude and creates dilemmas for school administrators. I would be interested to know whether you agree at all with my point that schools should take what powers they have to responsibly remove filtering? While that won&#039;t remove the problem, will it help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
You are right. I have not done an in-depth analysis of filtering in SA Dept schools. And yes, the blanket filtering is crude and creates dilemmas for school administrators. I would be interested to know whether you agree at all with my point that schools should take what powers they have to responsibly remove filtering? While that won&#8217;t remove the problem, will it help?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kerr</title>
		<link>http://jtravers.edublogs.org/2007/04/23/jimmy-wales-accountability-rather-than-gatekeeping/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 02:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is too easy to resort to victim behavior, blaming ‘the department’ for restrictions on web access when the power is fundamentally in the hands of the school&quot;

I don&#039;t think you have investigated the real nature of N2H2 filtering system deeply. There was quite a lengthy discussion about this on the SA IT teachers list a couple of years ago. I can send you extracts / details if you want. I don&#039;t indulge in victim behaviour and like you regard it as pathetic. I&#039;d like to be able to get on with my job of teaching kids using read / write web technologies without having to jump through hoops. I&#039;d like other teachers in schools to be able to read my blog without going home. I&#039;d like the department to show some leadership and for its actions to match it words. I&#039;d like people like you to be aware of the real situation of what N2H2 really achieves and not to glibly brush over the reality that there is a deeep chasm between the way that Jimmy Wales views the world and the way that the department views the world.

&lt;a href=&#039;http://billkerr.blogspot.com/2006/01/school-administrators-dilemma.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;school administrators dilemma &lt;/a&gt;

My argument in the above post and what you are missing is that the N2H2 filtering system is designed to cripple human to human mediation by the school administration. 

&quot;The South Australian education department has responded to these problems by imposing filtering software (N2H2 / Bess) that allows for no differentiation between teachers and students, no differentiation between primary, secondary and senior colleges and no differentiation between experienced web savvy IT teachers and teachers who are computer reticent or phobic. These settings cannot be altered. Whatever is blocked is blocked for everybody. Whatever is allowed is allowed for everybody.

Although web sites and groups of sites can be unblocked and blocked at individual campuses the problem remains that there is no differentiation on the above settings allowed within a site and this inflexibility creates huge problems&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is too easy to resort to victim behavior, blaming ‘the department’ for restrictions on web access when the power is fundamentally in the hands of the school&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you have investigated the real nature of N2H2 filtering system deeply. There was quite a lengthy discussion about this on the SA IT teachers list a couple of years ago. I can send you extracts / details if you want. I don&#8217;t indulge in victim behaviour and like you regard it as pathetic. I&#8217;d like to be able to get on with my job of teaching kids using read / write web technologies without having to jump through hoops. I&#8217;d like other teachers in schools to be able to read my blog without going home. I&#8217;d like the department to show some leadership and for its actions to match it words. I&#8217;d like people like you to be aware of the real situation of what N2H2 really achieves and not to glibly brush over the reality that there is a deeep chasm between the way that Jimmy Wales views the world and the way that the department views the world.</p>
<p><a href='http://billkerr.blogspot.com/2006/01/school-administrators-dilemma.html' rel="nofollow">school administrators dilemma </a></p>
<p>My argument in the above post and what you are missing is that the N2H2 filtering system is designed to cripple human to human mediation by the school administration. </p>
<p>&#8220;The South Australian education department has responded to these problems by imposing filtering software (N2H2 / Bess) that allows for no differentiation between teachers and students, no differentiation between primary, secondary and senior colleges and no differentiation between experienced web savvy IT teachers and teachers who are computer reticent or phobic. These settings cannot be altered. Whatever is blocked is blocked for everybody. Whatever is allowed is allowed for everybody.</p>
<p>Although web sites and groups of sites can be unblocked and blocked at individual campuses the problem remains that there is no differentiation on the above settings allowed within a site and this inflexibility creates huge problems&#8221;</p>
<p>etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching Generation Z &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gatekeepers Inc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teaching Generation Z &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gatekeepers Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I haven&#8217;t done a comic strip for ages but the recent conversation on the blogs of John Travers and Peter Ruwoldt has inspired me. This is Part One&#8230;another four panels to come when ready. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I haven&#8217;t done a comic strip for ages but the recent conversation on the blogs of John Travers and Peter Ruwoldt has inspired me. This is Part One&#8230;another four panels to come when ready. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cellobella</title>
		<link>http://jtravers.edublogs.org/2007/04/23/jimmy-wales-accountability-rather-than-gatekeeping/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Cellobella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d share the experience of a small private school my children went to some years ago.  They decided not to block anything but to regularly monitor the sites that were visited, internet use after hours was flagged as well as certain sites.  Because of this policy they discovered one of the teachers was accessing some child pornography sites, thankfully not when the children were at school.

If the school had had the filters on, this individual may not have been discovered. 

So I&#039;m for accountability over gatekeeping, but I agree with Jason that the monitoring tools need to be smart for them to be practical in a large school.

CB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d share the experience of a small private school my children went to some years ago.  They decided not to block anything but to regularly monitor the sites that were visited, internet use after hours was flagged as well as certain sites.  Because of this policy they discovered one of the teachers was accessing some child pornography sites, thankfully not when the children were at school.</p>
<p>If the school had had the filters on, this individual may not have been discovered. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m for accountability over gatekeeping, but I agree with Jason that the monitoring tools need to be smart for them to be practical in a large school.</p>
<p>CB</p>
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		<title>By: Max Evett</title>
		<link>http://jtravers.edublogs.org/2007/04/23/jimmy-wales-accountability-rather-than-gatekeeping/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Evett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find an identical situation within the education department in queensland. We have blocking and (I&#039;m assuming) monitoring but the emphasis is on blocking. The irony of this approach is that many students coming from high schools are familiar with circumvention technology and dont find &quot;blocking&quot; that much of a problem. they simply bypass it! If we operate on the assumption that we understand the tech and our clients/students dont then we look foolish. If we think we can make the internet (or any other forum that allows free speach) &quot;safe&quot; I guess we probably are ;-)
I&#039;m very much in favor of less blocking and more accountability!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find an identical situation within the education department in queensland. We have blocking and (I&#8217;m assuming) monitoring but the emphasis is on blocking. The irony of this approach is that many students coming from high schools are familiar with circumvention technology and dont find &#8220;blocking&#8221; that much of a problem. they simply bypass it! If we operate on the assumption that we understand the tech and our clients/students dont then we look foolish. If we think we can make the internet (or any other forum that allows free speach) &#8220;safe&#8221; I guess we probably are <img src='http://jtravers.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;m very much in favor of less blocking and more accountability!</p>
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		<title>By: jtravers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jtravers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and I think consistent comments, saying that filtering should be less. But to return to my original point, if accountability is a better approach than gatekeeping, which everyone seems to be saying, the focus needs to be on encouraging principals to exercise their power (and responsibility) to open up the internet to responsible use. But as Jason mentioned, this would be a big job if one looked at all the the sites that may warrant unblocking. So there ought to be arguments put to manage central filtering better. But I think complaining about this is only part of the action to take. The first thing to do is to demonstrate local responsibility by reducing some of the more damaging blocks.
Jason mentioned &#039;individual schools need to be resourced...&#039; I suspect that schools have all the resources they are going to get, and the issue is how a school chooses to apply them. Responsible unblocking of some web sites is not that time consuming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and I think consistent comments, saying that filtering should be less. But to return to my original point, if accountability is a better approach than gatekeeping, which everyone seems to be saying, the focus needs to be on encouraging principals to exercise their power (and responsibility) to open up the internet to responsible use. But as Jason mentioned, this would be a big job if one looked at all the the sites that may warrant unblocking. So there ought to be arguments put to manage central filtering better. But I think complaining about this is only part of the action to take. The first thing to do is to demonstrate local responsibility by reducing some of the more damaging blocks.<br />
Jason mentioned &#8216;individual schools need to be resourced&#8230;&#8217; I suspect that schools have all the resources they are going to get, and the issue is how a school chooses to apply them. Responsible unblocking of some web sites is not that time consuming.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Plunkett</title>
		<link>http://jtravers.edublogs.org/2007/04/23/jimmy-wales-accountability-rather-than-gatekeeping/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Plunkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The management of Internet within schools comes down to two basic principals;
monitoring &amp; filtering

Both of these have their merits and problems. It seems in South Australia we have a very heavy filtering aspect to our management process.

Monitoring of students would require evaluating sites accessed regularly and managing the results of these searches.

The monitoring tools exist, (although some would suggest they are broken) however it has been left up to individual sites to manage this with little direction.

As such the department can not rely on schools enforcing this and they appear to have relied heavily on filtering as they can manage this centrally.

This solution is cheap and easy, but realistically does not consider the needs of the learner.

One figure I heard was that 40% of websites are blocked by DECS. Even a very active person unblocking web 2.0 tools and other such services is going to be kept rather busy.

If Jimmy Wales is talking accountability surely monitoring would take up a larger component of schools management of Internet access?

How would this be achieved? Education, after all we are schools. We need to educate the Principals, Government council&#039;s and teachers to make this happen.

Individual schools need to be resourced to monitor students Internet use and this needs to ACTIVELY happen (Including personnel, equipment and training).

Consequence&#039;s (for lack of a better word) need to be forth coming for those breeching acceptable use and educating with counseling needs to occur to educate those students to how to use the Internet appropriately.

I am not saying do not filter. I am saying reduce the filtering and make better use of monitoring.

If we stick with the status quo then we are hampering students learning. As you have pointed out some schools are active is unblocking sites for students to use. Others are not. These students in these schools are getting a second grade education due to a scenario that was more than likely implemented as a cost cutting exercise.

Just my two cents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The management of Internet within schools comes down to two basic principals;<br />
monitoring &amp; filtering</p>
<p>Both of these have their merits and problems. It seems in South Australia we have a very heavy filtering aspect to our management process.</p>
<p>Monitoring of students would require evaluating sites accessed regularly and managing the results of these searches.</p>
<p>The monitoring tools exist, (although some would suggest they are broken) however it has been left up to individual sites to manage this with little direction.</p>
<p>As such the department can not rely on schools enforcing this and they appear to have relied heavily on filtering as they can manage this centrally.</p>
<p>This solution is cheap and easy, but realistically does not consider the needs of the learner.</p>
<p>One figure I heard was that 40% of websites are blocked by DECS. Even a very active person unblocking web 2.0 tools and other such services is going to be kept rather busy.</p>
<p>If Jimmy Wales is talking accountability surely monitoring would take up a larger component of schools management of Internet access?</p>
<p>How would this be achieved? Education, after all we are schools. We need to educate the Principals, Government council&#8217;s and teachers to make this happen.</p>
<p>Individual schools need to be resourced to monitor students Internet use and this needs to ACTIVELY happen (Including personnel, equipment and training).</p>
<p>Consequence&#8217;s (for lack of a better word) need to be forth coming for those breeching acceptable use and educating with counseling needs to occur to educate those students to how to use the Internet appropriately.</p>
<p>I am not saying do not filter. I am saying reduce the filtering and make better use of monitoring.</p>
<p>If we stick with the status quo then we are hampering students learning. As you have pointed out some schools are active is unblocking sites for students to use. Others are not. These students in these schools are getting a second grade education due to a scenario that was more than likely implemented as a cost cutting exercise.</p>
<p>Just my two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wati Wara</title>
		<link>http://jtravers.edublogs.org/2007/04/23/jimmy-wales-accountability-rather-than-gatekeeping/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Wati Wara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to make some difference as a school administrator but if this is the approach of central then they have their heads in the sand.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://waraku.blogspot.com/2007/04/internet-filtering-system-broken.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet
filtering system is broken&lt;/a&gt; and I have suggested in this post some possible opportunities for improvement. It might not be perfect but it is in the right direction IMHO.

If you want things to change then change the structures and watch people adapt (with help).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to make some difference as a school administrator but if this is the approach of central then they have their heads in the sand.  The <a href="http://waraku.blogspot.com/2007/04/internet-filtering-system-broken.html" rel="nofollow">Internet<br />
filtering system is broken</a> and I have suggested in this post some possible opportunities for improvement. It might not be perfect but it is in the right direction IMHO.</p>
<p>If you want things to change then change the structures and watch people adapt (with help).</p>
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